Trope Talk: Time Travel

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Loved this video filled with wibbly wobbly, timey wimey stuff Fantastic job as always! And thank you, everyone, for all the love we've been getting! We're working as fast as we can to answer everyone's questions and comments, so hang tight! :D
Comment from : Around the Campfire

Tailor made to satisfy you ? I mean you do make very valid points about stories so honestly I really don't mind >w<
Comment from : John C

Wait wasn't the entire point of Terminator 2 about changing the future "No fate but what we make" and all?
Comment from : poopman the 3rd

Time travel isn't a one dimensional spectrum from predeterminism to butterfly effect disasters, it's on a triangular plane, besides the aforementioned axis, it also has a flexibility axis, which doesn't really exist with predeterminism, but if stuff can be changed, it can be changed flexibly or not Like, on the bottom we'd have a simple "some more important events are locked in, others aren't", at ⅓ we'd have "if you killed your grandfather, now he doesn't exist in the past, which coexists with the present, so he is alive in your present, if you went back, it'd be the same", on ⅔ it's "if you change something important, you create a separate timeline", and at the top we have Loki, where it's just "there's infinite timelines, some closer to the main one than others, there's probably two dimensions of time, as there are places outside one of them, everything exists, timelines everywhere, chaos everywhere, stop trying to understand it"
Comment from : Solarpunk SciFi

10:06 "why can't we go to the world with all the blimps for a change"brbrOh how I miss "Fringe"
Comment from : Charles Martin

Would sliders be a type of time travel show ?
Comment from : Laura Roge

In Classic Doctor Who, particularly in in the earlier seasons, the writers just constantly took the TARDIS away to stop The Doctor immediately bailing For example; think the TARDIS falling down a cliff (like in 'The Romans' and 'The Curse of Peladon') or being locked behind a door/force field (like in 'The Aztecs' and 'The Keys of Marinus'), or the TARDIS team being held captive away from where the TARDIS landed/the TARDIS being taken away (think 'The Reign of Terror', 'The Faceless Ones' and 'The War Games') This was ESPECIALLY common in the 1st season as the Doctor didn't really have any concrete morals yet and therefore didn't really care there were people in trouble
Comment from : Jam the Hologram

I loved dark Dan from Danny Phantom and chat Blanc from miraculous ladybug I think that’s the best way to use time travel is very high stakes from your character from the president and teaches them a lesson about if they become evil Also, everyone, but the hero forgets What happened and it all starts with one thing whether that be writing your name on the present or not destroying the world or cheating on a test making the ultimate evil And also the timeline where the main six never met, and starlight glimmer through Equestria into turmoil
Comment from : Katie Sanders

Shoutout to the fanficy AU's that are just the regular cast but its a cafe/slice of life/chibi version
Comment from : Cass

Connie Willis wrote one of my favorite stories using time travel A Graduate student in the history department of a very prestigious and futuristic university gets permission to do his graduate thesis in Corinth during StPaul's missionary journey He is injected with microbots loaded with information about the times, languages and customs But there's a problem: by mistake the time machine sends him to St Paul's Cathedral in London in time for a Nazi air raid He meets a beautiful young woman whose father is a student of the Kaballah and mistakes the young man for an angel who gives the knowledge from God Another young man is head of the fire brigade assigned to smother incendiary bombs that might fall on the Cathedral He sees the discombobulated young man with no identification as a Nazi saboteur Interested? Go read the story
Comment from : Steven J Bosch

I'd love to see an addendum to this, covering the Terminator: Dark Fate movie A sideways travel?
Comment from : Michael Teegarden

PEOPLE, STOP SAYING STEINS GATE IS GOOD!!!brits not!!!!
Comment from : Tirone

Ah yes, the Time Travel Trope talk, or as I like to call it "Why Avengers: Endgame was Bad"
Comment from : Kestrel Domann

"…and needs to be technobabbled into submission!" :-D
Comment from : Critter Keeper

My preferred "time travel" trope is good gamer goes back in time and uses future knowlage to become op
Comment from : Gavin gameplay

"Why can't we go to the one with all the blimps for a change?" 😂😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂brbr(oh, and the year is 2023)
Comment from : Wilhelm Hedin

Oh wow, no Dark mention? We truly live in a dark timeline
Comment from : Lorenzo Fabrício Irajá Pereira

I honestly hate the idea that if you fix one detail of your personal past that sucks it automatically means the whole world is gonna be crapsackbrOh, I prevented the love of my life from dying ten years earlier and for some reason, facists now rule the countrybrOh, I made sure that I wasn't such a looser as a child and for some reason the world is an apocalyptic wasteland nowbrOh, I told my dad not to take that boatrip that was gonna kill him and for some reason mutated ants are now our overlordsbrI get that the message is always not to mess with time and accept the bad parts of your history but we always seem to be one squashed bee away from from apocalyptic future and that is stupid honestly
Comment from : WJ ZAV

I don't think Terminator 1 and 2 suggest a fated and unalterable timeline loop The Kyle/Connor element of the loop bmight/b imply that - for that specific piece of it But skynet still coming to pass is less about inscrutable timelines and more about the forward march of technology and/or the Great Filter My understanding is that they keep pushing back the "launch date" of Judgement Day with each movie [time travel event/gambit] because the humans 'win' those specific conflicts
Comment from : Tony M

it's a shame this video happened before This is How You Lose the TIme War
Comment from : Arabella Eroe

Big ball of Timey-wimey all thanks to Arnold and Michael But Nora really fell into Thawne's trap
Comment from : James Tipton

Idc, AOT did time travel well
Comment from : Weakly Xonin

Safe end of the spectrum: Harry Potter TimeTurnersbrDangerous end of the spectrum: Harry Potter TimeTurners
Comment from : spidermanmyers

I always find it weird when people do a "alternate timeline where the Nazis won" to mean "alternate timeline where fascism won" when the people who modelled fascism for the Nazis are the ones that won that war The alternate timeline where the Nazis won would look frighteningly similar to this timeline, just with a red white and black theme, instead of a red, white and blue theme I can already hear the trolls salivating
Comment from : Nightthought

I know you don't really cover video games but one piece of media that uses time travel as a part of its plot that I really love is Undertale The game breaks the 4th wall in a lot of ways but one of them is making the saving mechanic diegetic and basically your character's superpower When you die or load a save point, that's your character moving the timeline back to the previous save point And I mean moving the timeline around you, not moving through the timeline, so everyone gets pulled back with you One character is even aware of this as he used to have this power before you came along and constantly calls you out based on your actionsbrbrIt's more limited than other forms of time travel - you can't go forward in time, and so you can't hop back to your time when you're done - you simply have to wait things out like normal It's also implied you can't go back any further than when you were alive This makes sure no weird time loops or paradoxes can happen while still allowing you to make as much changes as you want in the pastbrbrIt's a type of time travel logic that I really like and hope to see in future pieces of media
Comment from : Sunny

What I miss in this talk is a word about moderation How much time travel and interlooping is too much?brbrI've lost interest in some cartoons or movies since I couldn't be bothered to be invested in the "whenever this might be"
Comment from : Christian Storms

I generally dislike time travel in media unless it's an explicitly time travel story Otherwise it ends up being a jump-the-shark moment or a big reset button Like they wrote the plot into a corner, and "fix" it was time travel
Comment from : Steven A

I have to disagree with the first terminator showing that the time line can't be changed The fact that his father wasn't from the original time is proof the past was can be changedbrbrGoing back in time and having a kid that otherwise would never have existed is a pretty big change Its proof that the humans changed the past
Comment from : Max Powers

Maybe Skynet figured out what was going wrong after Terminator 2 and upgraded the time machine to enable changing the past
Comment from : DiabloMinero

Im disappointed you didn't mention greater scope villains like eobard thawne His entire character is shaped by the fact that he's from the future since it is what gives him the ability to predict what will happen in the story and thus manipulate the time-line as he wishes, unlike the flash he knows what he's doing thus placing him closer to the middle of the bel curve
Comment from : Nikos Nikos

Lmao the shade against The Flash during the shippers fan service 10/10 absolutely bloated the show to high heavens
Comment from : Whiteythereaper

Interesting note to be made, if you allow flashpoint's alternate timeline to be separate from the canon one, the newest Flash Episode S9E10 actually establishes the CW Flash as a stable time loop, with S1 Flash observing without interference, S2 Flash never actually reaching the house, and S9 flash being the one who fights Thawne and tells S1 not to get involved
Comment from : Buka

My favorite time travel stories are the ones where a whole town gets sent back in time at random with no way back Like the Ring of Fire series by Eric Flint (RIP to a legend) and the Islands in the Sea of Time series by SM Stirling I'd love to hear you talk about stuff like that ❤
Comment from : Eric Southard

Solet's talk about The FlashThe time travel makes no sense in the TV show, and fits on the soectrum as too loose/creative brbrBut I want to talk about Flashpoint in the comics In this video, Red made a comment to the effect of, "consequences move forward in time, but the future can't really effect the past"brbrAnd yet, that was one of my biggest grioes abput Flashpoint Barry's mom is killed He runs back to save her and that creates consequences but not just forward from that moment It goes into the past It effects what happened to both Batman and Superman But how? How does changing something today effect what happened yesterday?brbrIn the story, they do say something about changes reverberating through space time like a rupple in a pond, but that explanation never sat right with me brbrWhatever
Comment from : Mewse

Wibbly wobbly
Comment from : Achilles704

A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court
Comment from : theScytheofGod

I’m surprised given the nerdy aspects of this channel, that there was no mention of homestuck in this ep
Comment from : Holly S Garard

9:43 I had to stop and really appreciate this part
Comment from : ekimmak

Steins gate is a wonderful time travel plot 10/10 recommend
Comment from : Sarah

Yet again I have found the cast of Aurora (Red's comic) Look at 9:44 to see them Kendal in yellow, Alinua with green eyes and magic, Falst in brown, Dainix in Red, , and Erin in grey It also occurred to me that who I thought to be Chimera Mom in the five man band episode could be an unintroduced character, as technically none of the cast had been introduced five years agobrAlso, if you manually removed my comment on the five man band episode Red, just let me know and I'll stop commenting these
Comment from : Shadow Slayer

The episode of doctor who with Rose's dad hurts me so much, its so freakin sadddd
Comment from : Nick the Hat Mans Movie House

9:40 brAm I just now noticing the fact that you've repeatedly used the characters from your comic as examples? _)
Comment from : Václav Musil

I love Stein's gate version Also in the visual novel there are explained a few of irl physical theories about "how it might work" (of course most of it basically says NOT)
Comment from : First Last

I won't lie I am not exactly a fan of time travel scenariosbrbrIn small doses it is fine - but in larger ones it becomes one of the two things:br- a wonderful way to write yourself into a horribly difficult to deal with corner - if you factor in all the paradoxes and possible loops - the more you think about it, the more convoluted it gets and the less sense it makes And ironically, story trying to undo all this mess is likely to end up creating even more nonsensical mess, unless it pulls a deus ex machinabrbr- the other problem - if author approaches the time issues differently - it may easily erase the stakes Something went wrong? Just go back and fix or go to different timeline where bad thing never happened, problem solved It runs a risk of becoming the mother of all Deus-ex Machinas brbrNow the alternative timeline as a way to play around with weird and wacky scenarios is fine But if this leaks into main timeline We've got a perfect way to create a ton of problems and a complete and utter mess
Comment from : HidesHisFace

Who’s watching in 2023 babyyy
Comment from : Zadquiel

Agents of Shield has a pretty cool alternate universe in the form of the Framework It's a digital world where most of the main characters get dropped in and who they are as people are altered in various ways On one end Coulson goes from the badass leader to a mild mannered school teacher and on the other Fitz goes from kind hearted science guy to mad scientist sociopath They also meet characters like Ward and Trip who previously died in the real world Trip is basically the same as he was but Ward is completely different due to a different role model Seeing how one simple change in the lives of the main characters changed them was really cool
Comment from : Gerstein03

As we come to time travel, what about iLoopers/i ?
Comment from : Jens Philip Höhmann

9:42 is the characters from Red’s comic
Comment from : Brooke Dickson

15:47 it's not subliminal, it's optimal
Comment from : Jonathan Soriano

Primeval Awesome show from 2007
Comment from : Danochierus

You want the world with all the blimps? Fringe did it in an alternate timeline in like 2008 Underrated show
Comment from : Jack Dillon

9:40 oh NO!! my undertale fase (still in it tho)
Comment from : Starlight fox

Not even gonna entertain the idea for time travel in any story I write Time Travel is a literal pandoras box Once opened it's VERY HARD to close brbrThats why I have NO HOPE for the next saga of the MCU Now that Time Travel is just a thing now they can just Undo any kind of Tragedy with just a timejump
Comment from : Linkman443

Favorite tike travel anime that i know is Steins;Gate love that serie
Comment from : Draken X

0:55 - Famous moment in history that can be dramatized on an abandoned gravel pit in Yorkshire
Comment from : Pacifico Studios

My favourite kind of "time travel" is Attack On Titan's version of manipulating the future memories that the Attack Titan sends it's predecessor
Comment from : I exist

time travel is used poorly so often, i usually see it as a sign of a bad story inherently, however, i STRONGLY recommend the anime Steins Gate
Comment from : Michael Grose

The waffle house has found it's new host
Comment from : SuperHGB

At timestamp 9:46brAre those the god damn aurora characters snuck in there
Comment from : Jenny F

Who's watching in 2029?
Comment from : Jonathan

Wait isn't the alternative timeline with all the blimps and the alternate timeline with all the nazis the same one?
Comment from : Rani Johansen

I have a slight hate for timd travel thanks to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2012 show LOVED that show! And the time travel arc was greatup to it's end The end made me unironicly angry, becouse it opened and never answer like 20 cans of worms with the only answer to eas my mind beeing "the robot probably flew the 'doubls' into the sun after leaving earth"!
Comment from : Ani Flowers

To comment on what you were talking about around the seven minute markbrIn fanfiction i often see this one specific varient of consciousness sent back in time where the plot basically goesbrThe heros lostbrSo one or more of the heros (or sometimes villains) get their consciousness sent back to their own past body with the knowledge of whats to come
Comment from : Diane Hallmeyer

In Fairness to the whole comment about the Flashpoint, it is made clear, at least in the film adaptation as I haven't read the comic, that Flash saving his mom wasn't really what screwed the timeline up as stuff was being affected before his mom was killed What actually happened was his going back in time in the first place created a time boom that altered everything
Comment from : Ordeaux26

This made me ask a question for one of my favorite time travel movies; Somewhere in Time How exactly does it work? There's evidence saying that Richard (the male lead played by Superman) was at the hotel he's currently staying at in 1912 but his actual time when he discovers this is 1980 He time travels back to 1912 using self-hypnosis in order to be with a woman he saw in a potrait (who as an old woman in the beginning told him to come back to her) Would this work like Terminator?
Comment from : Lucky Shamrock

Honestly, I think T3 is actually on point with it’s closed loop, it just turns everything on it’s head through John becoming a Traveling Nomad after Sarah diesbrbrHe was always destined to be John Conner But yeah, all he could do was postpone his part in the story while also showing the events in the future were still continuing on
Comment from : Daniel Ramsey

The anime Erased did it pretty well Stein's Gate was also very well done with time travel
Comment from : Dhips

I clicked on this too see I had already liked this video in the past Does this count as time travel if I don’t remember doing so?
Comment from : Elliwesis Hawkins

if anyone here has played "5D chess with multiverse time travel" i think that the way that game handled time travel is probably my favorite every time you go back in time, you create a parallel universe, but you can travel back to the future as long as you travel to that timeline's present traveling forward to a timeline with an established future also creates a parallel universe
Comment from : Hamish West

This comment section could be filled with time travelers who make what they say sound like a joke and we would never know
Comment from : Robotic Top Hat

One of my favorite examples of fictional time travel is actually from Homestuck of all things, where you can travel freely through time as you like but if you don’t make a stable, self sustaining loop your timeline becomes a doomed timeline So time will almost always be the same, but only because almost everyone who changes time ends up in universe time jail It’s like a mixture of both ends of the spectrum
Comment from : lucy starlight

i did NOT catch this the first few times i watched this video cause i hadn't read aurora yet but at 9:40 those are those are aurora characters right? i'm not seeing things right??
Comment from : Genesis Caveat

How where Samuel Clemens and HG Wells not mentioned Clemson 1889 novel A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthurs Castle was the first modern time travel story and HG Wells 1895 novel The Time Machine invented the concept of a time machine Without them we wouldn't have time travel stories
Comment from : Joshua Sherretz

As someone I know once said b"Multiverse Theory's a bitch"/b
Comment from : Kitsunes Den 🍋

is that the Aurora cast on the left? 9:46
Comment from : Anonymous

0:26 I remember watching an animated version of this movie as a child And specifically I remember that because it was made in the early 2000s, they added in a short scene where the main character stopped in "the present" and was confused about the "horse-less carriages" before continuing forward to the disturbing future from the book
Comment from : SketchElf

one of (in my opinion) funniest uses of time travel in games is in stellaris there is an event that sometimes happens that a sudden "hole in space" opens with notes flying through the notes seem to give the research department instructions on how to close the loop after a set amount of time the scientists manage to close the loop and throw their notes in before closing it
Comment from : 404 user not found

I don't know if other people have commented about this, but I think my favourite time travel narrative is in the podcast series Ars Paradoxica A scientist accidentally invents a time travel machine, that sends her back to the end of WWII (in America, but it's important context) The trick here is, things can only travel back, to the focal point It's an interesting thing that shows paradoxes, what happens to your body as it experiences the time travel, and a lot of espionage stuffbrBeware, though, it gets heavy A lot There's usually content warnings in the description, and they're needed
Comment from : PastelPunk413

9:47 please tell be this is beta aurora
Comment from : Kyle Ravenborn

Forget you said what now?
Comment from : Wes

I have a Yu-Gi-Oh fanfic that involves time travel (several actually) but I never actually establish where my time travel falls on the spectrum, and I mainly use it for Fish Out of Water plots (AKA a person - usually someone from Yami Yugi's original time period - gets dropped screaming into the present day and has to survive in what is to them a terrifying, alien world) brOne of my favorites is actually kind of a deconstruction of the concept: the main character is kidnapped and brought to the present day, where he is sold by human traffickers to this suburban couple who keep him as a slave Being from the ancient past, he has no official government identification, is susceptible to many modern illnesses people from the present would be immunized against (a subplot in a chapter is him being hospitalized after the flu he caught developed into pneumonia from a lack of proper treatment), doesn't even understand modern Japanese until another character specifically starts tutoring him, and he spends 80 of the fic utterly terrified at his alien surroundings and the other 20 desperately trying to survive I played his situation up as being similar to a foreign tourist getting in deep over their head in an unfamiliar country, just on a bigger scale brOkay, rant over
Comment from : Kyla Jensen

9:40 Aurora reference!!!
Comment from : Flaming Pi

I only ever have one problem with time travel, no one goes back to see the dinosaurs, if I had ready access to a fully functional time machine the first thing I’d do is go back to see a dinosaur, yet nobody does it and it boggles my mind why they don’t
Comment from : SCP guy

Someone is gonna get thisbr“Time, huh? Thanks for the tip”
Comment from : Regington Mogus

I read a few stories where rival organizations sent audio messages back in time to either brainwash people or manipulate their superstitions in order to ‘save’ their preferred version of history This leaves much open to interpretation: 1: did influencing one person actually change anything important or would it always play out that way 2: it was hinted at that they were also being manipulated by people from alternate futures 3: perhaps the main characters were all just delusional, and there was no struggle to control time 4: maybe they were opposing the results of their own actions? Time-travel is simultaneously frustrating and awesome like that
Comment from : Daniel

All this mention of the butterfly effect gives me an image of time-travelers accidentally creating an evil butterfly that conquers the universe!
Comment from : Daniel